Comments on: Geodatabase Design and Documentation http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/ spatially and technically enabled Tue, 29 Jun 2010 19:33:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: phil http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-590 phil Fri, 14 May 2010 22:19:01 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-590 Thanks for the article, I too am looking at making a geodb again. I had forgotten how horrible ESRI makes it for their users. I have to identify the geometry before the feature type? WTF? Why cant a well have a point and a line? Sigh....old ideas in a modern world.... Sure would be nice if we could get rid of this silly notion of a Geodatabase and just model data that happens to have a spatial element or attribute. Then we could use standard data modeling tools and get this done the right way. Thanks for the article, I too am looking at making a geodb again. I had forgotten how horrible ESRI makes it for their users. I have to identify the geometry before the feature type? WTF? Why cant a well have a point and a line? Sigh….old ideas in a modern world….

Sure would be nice if we could get rid of this silly notion of a Geodatabase and just model data that happens to have a spatial element or attribute. Then we could use standard data modeling tools and get this done the right way.

]]> By: Nate http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-561 Nate Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:38:38 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-561 Sorry, Hannah. Not off the top of my head, and it has been awhile since I dove into this... Sorry, Hannah. Not off the top of my head, and it has been awhile since I dove into this…

]]> By: Hannah http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Hannah Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:19:35 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-539 Do you have any tips for how to get the UML to XMI Export tool to work? I installed it per Microsoft's directions (dropped the .dll file into the visio install dir) but it still isn't showing up in the Tools>Add-Ons>Run Add-On list. Is there another step that is needed? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Do you have any tips for how to get the UML to XMI Export tool to work? I installed it per Microsoft’s directions (dropped the .dll file into the visio install dir) but it still isn’t showing up in the Tools>Add-Ons>Run Add-On list. Is there another step that is needed? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

]]> By: Richie http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-5 Richie Sat, 18 Aug 2007 02:28:02 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-5 Hi Nate, A few weeks back "ArcGIS Diagrammer" was released by ESRI's Prototype Lab. It is a free download (with source code) from ArcScripts. James Fee writes about it here: http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/07/23/arcgis-diagrammer-92-beta/ Richie Hi Nate,

A few weeks back “ArcGIS Diagrammer” was released by ESRI’s Prototype Lab. It is a free download (with source code) from ArcScripts. James Fee writes about it here:
http://www.spatiallyadjusted.com/2007/07/23/arcgis-diagrammer-92-beta/

Richie

]]> By: Nate http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Nate Fri, 08 Sep 2006 19:13:41 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-4 Alex, Perceptory definitely looks interesting. Reading from the site's home page, though, it looks like starting with the Winter 2006 version it will no longer plugin to Visio. I am still going to try it out and see what I think. Steve and Dave, I definitely agree that what we really need is to be able to work with XML from end-to-end. Until this happens, it looks like multiple unconnected products are the only viable option. Alex,

Perceptory definitely looks interesting. Reading from the site’s home page, though, it looks like starting with the Winter 2006 version it will no longer plugin to Visio. I am still going to try it out and see what I think.

Steve and Dave,

I definitely agree that what we really need is to be able to work with XML from end-to-end. Until this happens, it looks like multiple unconnected products are the only viable option.

]]> By: Dave http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Dave Thu, 07 Sep 2006 20:24:25 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-3 What I'd like to see (from ESRI or an ISV) is a movement towards GDB design tools that export/import Xml workspaces. Perhaps it could be done via Visio UML, but there would need to be a lot of extra stuff added to the Uml to handle projections, topologies, loading domain values from tables etc etc. This way we'd have a single model storage format that could be round-tripped. Dave What I’d like to see (from ESRI or an ISV) is a movement towards GDB design tools that export/import Xml workspaces. Perhaps it could be done via Visio UML, but there would need to be a lot of extra stuff added to the Uml to handle projections, topologies, loading domain values from tables etc etc. This way we’d have a single model storage format that could be round-tripped.

Dave

]]> By: Steven CP http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-6 Steven CP Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:06:09 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-6 I just had a couple of posts about geodatabases and designing with UML and how I think it is actually a pain in the rump. Check out my blog Aug-15th and before to see some of my thoughts on the tools and process you mentioned. The nice part of Richies tool is that it is XML underneath, so you can delete the elements that you are not interested in from the XML and the HTML will update. I find that helpful when I want someone else to focus on just a piece of the Geodb A definite improvement for the diagrammer tool would to place feature classes in their feature datasets rather than just putting all the pictures on the page. Still pretty nice for making diagrams. I just had a couple of posts about geodatabases and designing with UML and how I think it is actually a pain in the rump. Check out my blog Aug-15th and before to see some of my thoughts on the tools and process you mentioned.

The nice part of Richies tool is that it is XML underneath, so you can delete the elements that you are not interested in from the XML and the HTML will update. I find that helpful when I want someone else to focus on just a piece of the Geodb

A definite improvement for the diagrammer tool would to place feature classes in their feature datasets rather than just putting all the pictures on the page. Still pretty nice for making diagrams.

]]> By: Alexandre Leroux http://www.nateirwin.net/2006/09/07/geodatabase-design-and-documentation/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Alexandre Leroux Thu, 07 Sep 2006 17:04:31 +0000 /post/Geodatabase-Design-and-Documentation.aspx#comment-7 Take a look at Perceptory, its a conceptual modeling tool for geospatial databases. A few years ago, it was tied to Visio (it probably still is). http://sirs.scg.ulaval.ca/perceptory/english/enewindex2.asp Cheers, Alex slashgeo.org Take a look at Perceptory, its a conceptual modeling tool for geospatial databases. A few years ago, it was tied to Visio (it probably still is).

http://sirs.scg.ulaval.ca/perceptory/english/enewindex2.asp

Cheers,
Alex
slashgeo.org

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